« on: September 25, 2019, 01:25 AM »
I think they've just simply lost a lot of fans along the way by trying to stay current. Bringing in a ton of shitty pop song writers to help create an album has created a terrible album.
Given that every single concert they play the exact same setlist and the 90% of the set is the hits they've been playing since 2002, you won't catch me at another GGD show unless they tour on Gutterflower front to back or actually change up their sets like other established bands (Dave Matthews, Bruce Springsteen, even John Mayer).
I was hoping to read your thoughts on the new record! I can completely understand why you didn't dig it. I think because I had a few months to digest how poor the title track was, that softened my overall stance on the rest of the material. Must say though, I genuinely liked it better than Magnetic.
Did you not like Think it Over?
And yeah I give up with the issues surrounding the set. They toured the UK last year and I skipped it, but they did Dizzy20 in the States and I flew over. Pretty much my thoughts on it.
https://www.billboard.com/music/goo-goo-dolls/chart-history/billboard-200I think what we're seeing with Miracle Pill is actually the outcome of Boxes. Their past popularity provided a boost to that release, but now plenty of people are no longer paying attention because that album just did not resonate on any level. A lone top-20 single now doesn't mean much besides a major label is pushing a song hard; it's multiple singles that have lasting time on the charts that indicates people really care about a mainstream artist.
Does it even matter? That’s kind of what I think. I don’t think it will particularly hurt the tour cycle the record has and the band’s enthusiasm for the new material.
Bit of disappointment to see it chart so, so low. To see Magnetic (2013) #8 then 6 years later Miracle Pill #92 is a steep decline in sales. I mean Korn debuted in the top 10 this week and I’m sure Blink 182 will be #1 next week, so fanbases support records.
Boxes and now Miracle Pill may eventually start to impact their ability to tour on the same level. I think to turn things around they'd need to shift gears with a "get back to what we're good at" album. I don't know how much of their lost popularity they could regain at this point, or if they have any interest in writing something like that, or if they're even capable of doing so, but I do have a feeling that a lot of people would be more interested in that than in another stab at making a mainstream pop album. My personal ideal would be to hear Johnny's songwriting unfiltered through cowriters and heavy-handed producers again, but I get where they are in life and maybe that's just not in the cards.
Really interesting thoughts. It’s been suggested because of their past popularity (predominantly the mid to late 90’s) that it doesn’t matter where new records chart, which is what I kind of alluded to in my original post, but having read what you think, I’m inclined to agree with you.
I think there is a level of genuineness with the Goo Goo Dolls though, I believe they’re sounding like how they want to sound. I just don’t think they’ll go back to that sound that we’re referring to. But the proof is in the pudding, it seems a chunk of the fan iceberg has floated away... that’s evident in the sales (I’d be interested to see the vinyl sales) and floods of comments on social media
As Me & My Arrow alludes to, I think their aim for the last few years has been to try and mirror the success of bands like Train and One Republic who have become more 'mainstream' and in return sold lots of records by releasing unashamed pop. I don't think you can blame them for that given how well these bands have done in the last few years and I wouldn't completely rule out that the Goo Goo Dolls could still make a success of it. Though I suspect that might be taken out of their hands as I'm not sure Warner Bros will keep them on after this. And for what it's worth, I do think the label needs to take some of the blame here, both on Magnetic and Miracle Pill they chose the wrong lead single. The success of 'Come To Me' probably saved Magnetic somewhat and I think leading with 'Indestructible' would have helped this album a fair bit. I don't work for a record label but surely it makes sense to drop a single and video the week before or the week of album launch?
It looks like Miracle Pill sold just shy of 8,000 copies (https://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart) in the US last week so around 60% of what Boxes managed. Do people think Johnny and Robby will carry on if Warner Bros drop them?
I do agree with you about the lead singles. I think Indestructible has already nearly surpassed Miracle Pill in listens and views despite MP having a 2 month or so headstart. How much of a difference this would have made I don’t know... one thing I have noticed is the label cannot be blamed, MP got some good television & press coverage. Perhaps strategically it could have been better but to be fair you let the music do the talking
Moving onto your second point, I don’t think WB will drop them so don’t worry. I’ve heard John refer to old bands as IPs like a big movie franchise... they’ll be like Harry Potter to WB for lack of a better analogy or film.
I think the direction of the next record will be most interesting and like Me & My Arrow said, how this affects their touring. Miracle Pill is front and centre of their next tour, so it will be interesting to see if people come out in droves.