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Title: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Theshvedi on April 30, 2016, 09:24 AM
I've been a GGD fan for many many years. In the past, one thing you could always count on with John's songs is a catchy, rousing chorus. It's true for 95% of his songs. But on Boxes, the choruses are nothing more than repeating the same words again and again (So alive, over and over, the pin, ghost in the machine, the flood, etc). No melodies. Nothing uplifting. Nothing I feel like singing. Compare that with any song on DUTG or Boy Named Goo, or even Magnetic.

I think John has lost what made him special: the melodies. I'm sorry, but the new stuff is crap.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: KevinsSong on April 30, 2016, 10:58 AM
I've been a GGD fan for many many years. In the past, one thing you could always count on with John's songs is a catchy, rousing chorus. It's true for 95% of his songs. But on Boxes, the choruses are nothing more than repeating the same words again and again (So alive, over and over, the pin, ghost in the machine, the flood, etc). No melodies. Nothing uplifting. Nothing I feel like singing. Compare that with any song on DUTG or Boy Named Goo, or even Magnetic.

I think John has lost what made him special: the melodies. I'm sorry, but the new stuff is crap.

Wait until you listen to the song Boxes, this isn't the case in that song its so beautiful
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Star on April 30, 2016, 02:01 PM
Wow,people you do realize that the guys are human. Would you like me to visit where you work, rip into you to about how bad I think you suck at doing your job.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Theshvedi on April 30, 2016, 08:10 PM
Star, honestly, that is the dumbest comment I have ever read.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on April 30, 2016, 08:10 PM
Yeah...a lot of repeats and weak chorus. Even though I think "the pin" is one of the most amazing song I'd heard in 15 years.....the lyrics in the chorus is pretty weak. It's hard to know what the hell they are talking about and it's just repeating. You pulled the pin..yeah you pulled the pin...awww you pulled the pin. This song will never become a hit because the chorus just seems confusing, meaningless, and disconnected. It sounds great though.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: OnlyOne on April 30, 2016, 08:59 PM
Star, honestly, that is the dumbest comment I have ever read.

We won't tolerate personal attacks on other board members.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on April 30, 2016, 09:02 PM
Just to be fair, star's comment was about going to someone's workplace and harassing them. That was a pretty dumb comment.

Star, honestly, that is the dumbest comment I have ever read.

We won't tolerate personal attacks on other board members.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: OnlyOne on April 30, 2016, 09:10 PM
Just to be fair, star's comment was about going to someone's workplace and harassing them. That was a pretty dumb comment.

Star, honestly, that is the dumbest comment I have ever read.

We won't tolerate personal attacks on other board members.

So after me saying to someone else not to personally attack other board members, you then thought it would be a good idea to go ahead and do it again? I'm pretty sure no one asked your thoughts on the matter.

Let me make it crystal clear --   debate all you want about the music, but don't attach other board members.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Star on April 30, 2016, 10:11 PM
Sorry guys.I was on a street car running around NOLA. What I was trying to say is, Music is the guys work correct me if I'm wrong. So basically you guys are saying how bad they are doing at their job. I used going to your job and doing the same to you as you are doing to them as an example. Old rule treat others as you wanted to be treated. Believe me I would never waste my time dealing with the bullshit of going to someone's work.I have more important things to do with my time.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Im Awake Now on April 30, 2016, 10:34 PM
hmmmm...have the choruses really changed ???

Let's take a drive back in time to these chorus's that have changed soooo much over the years...

"Well I guess it's just the way you are, I guess its just the way you are, I guess its just the way you are, well I guess it's just the way you are"

"There you are, there you are, you are, there you are"

"Cuz your gone, and you ain't coming back, yea your gone, and you ain't coming back"

My point is that besides the drop in electric guitars, the choruses really haven't changed much for me at all over the years. Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 01, 2016, 12:18 AM
No problem!

However, I think that music is to be judge...anything that is marketing to the public is to be judge.

Sorry guys.I was on a street car running around NOLA. What I was trying to say is, Music is the guys work correct me if I'm wrong. So basically you guys are saying how bad they are doing at their job. I used going to your job and doing the same to you as you are doing to them as an example. Old rule treat others as you wanted to be treated. Believe me I would never waste my time dealing with the bullshit of going to someone's work.I have more important things to do with my time.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 01, 2016, 12:34 AM
Yeah..but that was in their earlier years where John was starting to sing and develop. It was actually impressive that he was singing and doing half of the songs. From there, the choruses and lyrics improve tremendously.

Right now, it seems lazy. Weak/repetitive lyrics, hiring others to co-write songs, less guitar playing, and the beats are weak.  I know people keep talking about evolving and trying something new...but what they're doing is doing what's already been done by other artists. There is a lot of following the trend and imitations. And it just doesn't sound right because it's not something that they do. This is the first time people are saying things like this since.....well..probably never said it before. Do we really believe that they couldn't put more effort into the chorus for "the pin"? I love the song but it's the most lazy chorus I'd ever heard in my life.


hmmmm...have the choruses really changed ???

Let's take a drive back in time to these chorus's that have changed soooo much over the years...

"Well I guess it's just the way you are, I guess its just the way you are, I guess its just the way you are, well I guess it's just the way you are"

"There you are, there you are, you are, there you are"

"Cuz your gone, and you ain't coming back, yea your gone, and you ain't coming back"

My point is that besides the drop in electric guitars, the choruses really haven't changed much for me at all over the years. Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Bsxae8 on May 01, 2016, 08:21 AM
You, you hit the nail on the head. John is just lazy. After decades of writing music, he's become totally lazy and apathetic in his songwriting. He turned on the radio one day while writing Boxes, heard a Justin Bieber song, decided he'd like a couple of extra zeros at the end of his bank account, and wrote an entire album trying to sound like him and Taylor Swift.

...end sarcasm...

Honestly what kind of discussion is this for a FAN SITE? I'm not saying you have to praise and glorify, or even personally enjoy, every single song that the band puts out. But baselessly accusing John of intentionally writing bad music to try appeal to a younger audience crosses the line. If you think John is that shallow of a songwriter (not to mention a liar, since he's said many times that this album is thoughtful and meaningful to him), then why are you on his fan site? Go listen to another band's music and participate in another band's fan site if you really think John is writing disingenuous garbage.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Theshvedi on May 01, 2016, 10:53 AM
You, you hit the nail on the head. John is just lazy. After decades of writing music, he's become totally lazy and apathetic in his songwriting. He turned on the radio one day while writing Boxes, heard a Justin Bieber song, decided he'd like a couple of extra zeros at the end of his bank account, and wrote an entire album trying to sound like him and Taylor Swift.

...end sarcasm...

Honestly what kind of discussion is this for a FAN SITE? I'm not saying you have to praise and glorify, or even personally enjoy, every single song that the band puts out. But baselessly accusing John of intentionally writing bad music to try appeal to a younger audience crosses the line. If you think John is that shallow of a songwriter (not to mention a liar, since he's said many times that this album is thoughtful and meaningful to him), then why are you on his fan site? Go listen to another band's music and participate in another band's fan site if you really think John is writing disingenuous garbage.

Wow...calm down. This has nothing to do with being disingenuous or dishonest. The music may well be very meaningful. It is about John not writing a good chorus. That is a fact. He may have tried really really hard, but he wasn't able to do it.  And it is perfectly legitimate, as fans, for us to express our disappointment with an album we were eagerly waiting for.

I have now heard the whole album. "Boxes" is the only song with a melody that is deserving of the GGD name, and it is not that great either. The rest makes me think of someone trying to be the GGD and failing.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: BulletproofAngel on May 01, 2016, 11:36 AM
Wow...calm down. This has nothing to do with being disingenuous or dishonest. The music may well be very meaningful. It is about John not writing a good chorus. That is a fact. He may have tried really really hard, but he wasn't able to do it. 

Actually, your statement is an opinion, not a fact.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 01, 2016, 12:16 PM
It could be a fact because the songs are co-written and sounds very different than songs that was only written by them. Who knows how little or how much was written. So yes, you're right it's an opinion...but an opinion that could be a fact and have very strong reason to back it up.

My opinion is that they're marketing to pop youth demographics. Yes, it's an opinion....but their sound does sound similar to what's popular to the pop youth demographics.

Wow...calm down. This has nothing to do with being disingenuous or dishonest. The music may well be very meaningful. It is about John not writing a good chorus. That is a fact. He may have tried really really hard, but he wasn't able to do it. 

Actually, your statement is an opinion, not a fact.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Bsxae8 on May 01, 2016, 12:17 PM
LOL @ people who think it's an objective "fact" that John wrote "bad" choruses on this album.

Every album he's ever put out has had songs with repetitive chorus: There You Are, Cuz You're Gone, Think About Me, etc. Not to mention What a Scene which has two minutes of non stop "na na nanana na" lyrics.

Anyone who thinks John is a bad songwriter must themselves be a pretty song songwriter. Let's see you write and record 11 studio albums of the same caliber. Or even one song.

Like I've said throughout this board, it's one thing to dislike the new music and prefer older Goo, but to literally trash the band crosses the line.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Gen on May 01, 2016, 01:19 PM
Anyone who thinks John is a bad songwriter must themselves be a pretty song songwriter. Let's see you write and record 11 studio albums of the same caliber. Or even one song.

Those who can't, criticize those who can.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 01, 2016, 09:54 PM
This is the most ridiculous argument I'd ever heard! So because you are not in a profession, you have no right to judge????? Duh, John is a better writer, artist, and business than most of us. That is his job. Our job as consumers is to give our input...bad or good. At the end of the day, it's going to reflect on sales. They have to make a decision to react to inputs and sales.

To say this is like saying Mcdonald's saying "well, let's you see make a better burger". Or when Toyota f*cks up, and you say "well, let's see you make a better car". Next time. when you have discomfort about an product or service you get...tell yourself "let's see you do a better job".

As I said before, I have problem with anybody's opinion..negative or bad. Why? Because it shows that there are a lot of passionate people about their music. The last thing the GGD need are no people criticizing their music because that would mean nobody likes their music. You should be glad that there are criticisms.

Your comment here is very very low in my opinion. Probably lowest comment. Next time before you judge anything, tell yourself if you could do better. Oh, product didn't last beyond the warranty..guess you can't complain since you can't do better. If you want to think like that, then go live your life like that...stop complaining about everything since you can't do better.

Anyone who thinks John is a bad songwriter must themselves be a pretty song songwriter. Let's see you write and record 11 studio albums of the same caliber. Or even one song.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: allan on May 01, 2016, 10:04 PM
What has me a little puzzled is the fact that they have moved in a totally different direction to their most successful years. They were successful then for a reason, the music was amazingly good. Why would you move away from what bought you success? Sure you need some change to stay relevant, but totally going pop is in my opinion a much worse commercial decision. I think the band would be more popular if they still leaned a little on their most successful periods.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 01, 2016, 11:40 PM
I think that going this route is risky with long time and traditional type fans. However, 18-35 years old are a very lucrative and fun market. If it works, they could have a much larger and longer lasting fan base than the ones they have now. Just looking from business and financial standpoint, it's worth the investment. If I was the Goos, I would do the same...not only that, I would have done it long time ago. The only difference is that I would have 3 tracks on each album that appeal to different eras. I would up the song numbers to 15-16 per album. at least 3 songs with strings, at least 3 aboynamedgoo type songs, etc. I would be a businessman...but I would also be a people's man.


What has me a little puzzled is the fact that they have moved in a totally different direction to their most successful years. They were successful then for a reason, the music was amazingly good. Why would you move away from what bought you success? Sure you need some change to stay relevant, but totally going pop is in my opinion a much worse commercial decision. I think the band would be more popular if they still leaned a little on their most successful periods.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: ggdfan25 on May 02, 2016, 01:32 AM
I think that going this route is risky with long time and traditional type fans. However, 18-35 years old are a very lucrative and fun market. If it works, they could have a much larger and longer lasting fan base than the ones they have now. Just looking from business and financial standpoint, it's worth the investment. If I was the Goos, I would do the same...not only that, I would have done it long time ago. The only difference is that I would have 3 tracks on each album that appeal to different eras. I would up the song numbers to 15-16 per album. at least 3 songs with strings, at least 3 aboynamedgoo type songs, etc. I would be a businessman...but I would also be a people's man.


What has me a little puzzled is the fact that they have moved in a totally different direction to their most successful years. They were successful then for a reason, the music was amazingly good. Why would you move away from what bought you success? Sure you need some change to stay relevant, but totally going pop is in my opinion a much worse commercial decision. I think the band would be more popular if they still leaned a little on their most successful periods.

Totally agree with all of this... They didn't need to sell out to stay profitable, but in doing so why not please everyone?
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: BulletproofAngel on May 02, 2016, 08:32 AM
I think that going this route is risky with long time and traditional type fans. However, 18-35 years old are a very lucrative and fun market. If it works, they could have a much larger and longer lasting fan base than the ones they have now. Just looking from business and financial standpoint, it's worth the investment. If I was the Goos, I would do the same...not only that, I would have done it long time ago. The only difference is that I would have 3 tracks on each album that appeal to different eras. I would up the song numbers to 15-16 per album. at least 3 songs with strings, at least 3 aboynamedgoo type songs, etc. I would be a businessman...but I would also be a people's man.


What has me a little puzzled is the fact that they have moved in a totally different direction to their most successful years. They were successful then for a reason, the music was amazingly good. Why would you move away from what bought you success? Sure you need some change to stay relevant, but totally going pop is in my opinion a much worse commercial decision. I think the band would be more popular if they still leaned a little on their most successful periods.

Totally agree with all of this... They didn't need to sell out to stay profitable, but in doing so why not please everyone?

We've addressed the 'sell out' comments previously on this board. Did you miss it? Please pm me if you'd like to discuss further.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 02, 2016, 12:06 PM
This is not cool! You're trying to limit us from talking about business because it was mention in another thread? I say let the board be what it is and let it grow. Last thing people need is to be police over the smallest thing and for not doing anything wrong. It only hurts the goo community! I've been on wog/absolute goo since 98ish. So far, I have not seen anything really bad..nothing worth policing. Of course there are going to be negative comments...they got a new album...just let it be..only going to last for a few more weeks. Even if there are duplicate threads..so...keep it moving. Most postings are the same anyways. I've seen boards where they want to keep a topic to one thread..it ended up being old threads from years ago..too much to read.and people get turned off. New threads on the same topics are always better than the same old threads.

Don't get burned by your lucky star!!!!


We've addressed the 'sell out' comments previously on this board. Did you miss it? Please pm me if you'd like to discuss further.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: BulletproofAngel on May 02, 2016, 12:16 PM
This is not cool! You're trying to limit us from talking about business because it was mention in another thread? I say let the board be what it is and let it grow. Last thing people need is to be police over the smallest thing and for not doing anything wrong. It only hurts the goo community! I've been on wog/absolute goo since 98ish. So far, I have not seen anything really bad..nothing worth policing. Of course there are going to be negative comments...they got a new album...just let it be..only going to last for a few more weeks. Even if there are duplicate threads..so...keep it moving. Most postings are the same anyways. I've seen boards where they want to keep a topic to one thread..it ended up being old threads from years ago..too much to read.and people get turned off. New threads on the same topics are always better than the same old threads.

Don't get burned by your lucky star!!!!


We've addressed the 'sell out' comments previously on this board. Did you miss it? Please pm me if you'd like to discuss further.

We have terms and conditions that members agree to when they create an account here. False and defamatory comments about members or the band are not allowed and will not be tolerated, as stated numerous times in the last day or so.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: stargirl on May 02, 2016, 12:39 PM
If we are all GGD fans here, then why is there so much criticism? The band has been successful ever since "Name". I have been a fan for eighteen years now.  John's lyrics pattern has been the same to me. And I like it.  Each album has a different genre, feel, melodies, and lyrics which is awesome. Overall I like change. Another thing, the guys are not getting any younger. I mean they're in 50s now. No matter what I'll support them. On that note, I am looking forward to BOXES for sure.   
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: ggdfan25 on May 02, 2016, 02:48 PM
I don't understand how it is defamatory to say they've sold out.... It's a pretty openly known fact that they brought in multiple song-writers on this record, and had to re-record much of SFTROU....

How is it defamatory to state facts about what has happened?!

If we can't state an opinion that is negative about the band, I don't get the point of having a board.

"It's not all rainbows and butterflies, its compromise that moves us along" -Train
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: BulletproofAngel on May 02, 2016, 03:18 PM
I don't understand how it is defamatory to say they've sold out.... It's a pretty openly known fact that they brought in multiple song-writers on this record, and had to re-record much of SFTROU....

How is it defamatory to state facts about what has happened?!

If we can't state an opinion that is negative about the band, I don't get the point of having a board.

"It's not all rainbows and butterflies, its compromise that moves us along" -Train

Bringing in songwriters does not equate to a band 'selling out'. That is a leap you made, it is not stating a fact. You can have an opinion that is negative about the music, but you are confusing that with making defamatory statements about the band that questions their artistic integrity.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Toni on May 02, 2016, 07:41 PM
I think that going this route is risky with long time and traditional type fans. However, 18-35 years old are a very lucrative and fun market. If it works, they could have a much larger and longer lasting fan base than the ones they have now. Just looking from business and financial standpoint, it's worth the investment. If I was the Goos, I would do the same...not only that, I would have done it long time ago. The only difference is that I would have 3 tracks on each album that appeal to different eras. I would up the song numbers to 15-16 per album. at least 3 songs with strings, at least 3 aboynamedgoo type songs, etc. I would be a businessman...but I would also be a people's man.


What has me a little puzzled is the fact that they have moved in a totally different direction to their most successful years. They were successful then for a reason, the music was amazingly good. Why would you move away from what bought you success? Sure you need some change to stay relevant, but totally going pop is in my opinion a much worse commercial decision. I think the band would be more popular if they still leaned a little on their most successful periods.

I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

~ Toni
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 02, 2016, 08:49 PM
Hey Toni

It's not that you're not fun or not lucrative, but the younger crowd are just more fun and more lucrative..and they provide more years of profit. I think that Jay Leno is amazing..but from what I hear..they were pushing him out because they needed somebody that could pull in a younger audience and lock them in. Same with the tobacco companies. They don't care too much about the older people..they want the younger people who will smoke for 30-50 years. I 90% sure that the GGDs and most musicians like to still perform when they're in their 60s+...because that's just what they do. When they're 65, they're not going to fill up the place with other 65 years olds...it's most likely people in their 40s.

I know people hate to hear it..but it's business at the end of the day.




I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

~ Toni
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Toni on May 02, 2016, 09:28 PM
I hear what you are saying, but honestly, I have been contributing to the 'profit' as a Goo fan since 1993. Albums, CDs, CD singles, videos, concerts, magazines, t shirts, posters, fan site memberships, you name it. I have the feeling that my Goo collection might outmatch yours on any day.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it. 

As for older musicians not wanting people their age in the audience? I would have to disagree.  I saw Peter Frampton and James Taylor last year, the concerts were in decent size venues, sold out, and filled with people my age and older. There were people in their 40s there, but the majority were my age or older.  And, we were all on our feet, singing and having 'fun'.  I can promise you, if I am lucky enough to have the GGD still touring when they are in their 60s, I will be right there continuing to be a dedicated fan.

~ Toni

Hey Toni

It's not that you're not fun or not lucrative, but the younger crowd are just more fun and more lucrative..and they provide more years of profit. I think that Jay Leno is amazing..but from what I hear..they were pushing him out because they needed somebody that could pull in a younger audience and lock them in. Same with the tobacco companies. They don't care too much about the older people..they want the younger people who will smoke for 30-50 years. I 90% sure that the GGDs and most musicians like to still perform when they're in their 60s+...because that's just what they do. When they're 65, they're not going to fill up the place with other 65 years olds...it's most likely people in their 40s.

I know people hate to hear it..but it's business at the end of the day.




I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

~ Toni
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Me Again on May 02, 2016, 09:35 PM
Hey Toni

It's not that you're not fun or not lucrative, but the younger crowd are just more fun and more lucrative..and they provide more years of profit. I think that Jay Leno is amazing..but from what I hear..they were pushing him out because they needed somebody that could pull in a younger audience and lock them in. Same with the tobacco companies. They don't care too much about the older people..they want the younger people who will smoke for 30-50 years. I 90% sure that the GGDs and most musicians like to still perform when they're in their 60s+...because that's just what they do. When they're 65, they're not going to fill up the place with other 65 years olds...it's most likely people in their 40s.

I know people hate to hear it..but it's business at the end of the day.




I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

~ Toni

Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equals cash AND fun!!!)
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 02, 2016, 09:51 PM
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Me Again on May 02, 2016, 09:55 PM
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)

Wow

Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Toni on May 02, 2016, 10:04 PM
LetitGoo, you brought up tobacco companies and Jay Leno. Me Again was merely making a comparison like you were.  Be cool kiddo, let's talk when you are older and wiser. LOL  ;D

Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Me Again on May 02, 2016, 10:37 PM
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.

I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for all people over the age of 45, however, the people I know who have muscle cars, sports cars and the like are neither attempting to recapture their youth, nor are they in the midst of a mid life crisis.
They are people who have worked hard their whole lives, raised their children, paid their bills, and fulfilled their obligations and responsibilities and now are able to be a bit less selfless and able to have a few of the things they want....for the shear fun of it!
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Boris on May 03, 2016, 02:17 AM
I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 03, 2016, 08:22 AM
At the end of the day, the business of trying to be/go younger is big business. Nobody really tries to get old. That's exactly what the Goos are doing. I know some will still argue that...and as I said before...they say they not trying to write songs to get on the radio...but it sounds like songs to get on the radio.



I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for all people over the age of 45, however, the people I know who have muscle cars, sports cars and the like are neither attempting to recapture their youth, nor are they in the midst of a mid life crisis.
They are people who have worked hard their whole lives, raised their children, paid their bills, and fulfilled their obligations and responsibilities and now are able to be a bit less selfless and able to have a few of the things they want....for the shear fun of it!
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Pon on May 03, 2016, 09:11 AM
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Me Again on May 03, 2016, 06:15 PM
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

Snagging the "youth market" isn't what it used to be. The longevity of companies and brands isn't what it once was.  I can name six car divisions off the top of my head that have ceased to exist in last three decades.
The same holds true for music artists.
No business person who is selling a product truly gives a good shit what demographic is buying, so long as they are turning a profit on the product they are selling - and the bigger the profit, the better.
The idea that people over the age of 35 are suddenly irrelevant consumers is absurd. Baby boomers make up a HUGE chunk of the current population and none of them are under 35.
To say that all middle aged (and older) men would prefer to spend time with a woman in her late teens to age 35 is absolutely ridiculous.  And, unless you are middle aged male yourself, how would you know?
Being outside the demographic you keep touting has its benefits.  It allows one the ability to see the beauty, integrity, wisdom and grace that only comes with the passage of time.



Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Me Again on May 03, 2016, 06:36 PM
I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

BORIS!!!
So nice to see you around here.
I am missing your avatar and the old bottom line that came with your posts, though.
Title: Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
Post by: Toni on May 04, 2016, 07:48 PM
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

Just a slight clarification LetItGoo, I am a woman, not a man.

And Boris - your sense of humor never fails.. Great to see it surfacing here on the board once again!

~ Toni