''but I don't think they can snap out of this phase without a deliberate shake-up and a renewed focus.''I think its you who needs to snap out of this phase of still labeling the band as a rockband. The band has changed, and its unfair to compare a song like Tattered Edge to hits like Big Machine or Flat Top. Sure, their heydays are truly over in this era of electronic dance music, but that doesn't mean they sold their creativity. Like with Boxes all I can hear you say is that they let other people write contemporary music for them. But what if they want that? What if John and Robby changed during their 30 years of music? Are you capable of accepting musical variations, even if you like that or not? Everyone fell in love with their rockmusic, but the band chose to write and compose in another way, which they seem clearly happy about. It's not about making money, or getting back into the charts. So Alive didn't peak, Over & Over died. Warner Bros isn't really promoting them as the other artists on that label. Not because they think they aren't capable of churning out heartfelt music anymore, but because the musical emviroment has changed and there is not really a lot of space left for the Goo's. And lets be honest, back to the days John wrote and compose his own tunes? Yeah, Something For The Rest Of Us was a pretty good album, but that album had some of the most contemporary repetitive music and lyrics of all their albums. (Nothing is Real, Hey Ya). The chorus of Use Me is even comparible to Sweetest Lie. What I try to say is we need to stop comparing them to their old music, we need to embrace the new music, because in some years to come they will stop making music. Oh and I like the new EP. Tattered Edge is a song just like Real, Souls In The Machine, Keep The Car Running and I love that.
No surprises in this thread -- the usual suspect(s) are starting to come out of the woodwork to totally bash the band for music that they wrote and chose to put out there. Guys, news flash: the Goo Goo Dolls wrote ABNG, DUTG, and Gutterflower more than 15 to 20 years ago! Are you exactly the same person doing exactly the same things now that you were 20 years ago? If you expect them to keep churning out the same types of songs over and over and over again (heh), then I don't know what to tell you other than that's a totally unrealistic expectation. To boot, on the one you bash them for putting out "generic" songs in Boxes and the YSBH EP, but on the other hand you bash them for not putting out carbon copies of their earlier music. If you're going to make an argument, at least be consistent!
And as I said when both Magnetic and Boxes came out in reply to others on this forum imputing the integrity and motivations of the band choosing to evolve their sound: if you don't like their music, DON'T LISTEN TO IT. Go ahead and listen to their older albums, have a good time, and if you want to talk to fellow fans about it, feel free to post here and we'll have some fun in the discussion.
But to say that the band is putting out "worse than ever" music and implying that they're intentionally changing their sound to try to stay relevant -- well, that seems pretty close to bashing the band which I am surprised is allowed on this forum. We've had enough of people making baseless personal attacks against John and Robby for YEARS all because they are evolving their sound, and I would suggest anyone who wants to engage in that kind of behavior to please take it elsewhere.
I'm jumping in on this - not to gang up but to the person who doesn't like the EP or the "new sound", you should have figured that out 3 albums ago. The band has evolved and I absolutely love what they are putting out. I do believe that people naturally get softer over time. I used to listen to A Boy Named Goo and Gutterflower on repeat but as music evolves including the tools and techniques that are introduced with new technology, bands want to make something new. The Goo Goo Dolls have historically had extremely different albums. There first two are garage metal, while Hold Me Up is punk rock. SSCW are all power pop songs in every sense of the term minus a couple alternative tracks. ABNG is 100% an alt rock album. And they evolved into pop rock and stayed there. If anything, they are more consistent now than ever. Tattered Edge is a classic Goo track and the politically fused message BRINGS ME BACK to Flat Top, not away from it. I don't care what you say - Use Me rocks (and so does So Alive) and it could comfortably fit in between Here Is Gone and What A Scene on Gutterflower and sound as natural as ever. I actually play guitar and when I first heard Use Me, my first thought was, "damn I wish I could write like this". Boxes is a phenomenal album in my opinion and I find myself listening to their recent work far more than the older stuff, maybe it's because I'm not 18 anymore but who cares. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion but the other guys are absolutely on point in saying it sounds like bashing. If you don't like the sound, then you have been on the wrong train for a while now. This isn't new.
I feel like I'm the only one here who understands this person was giving an honest critique. I don't agree with every point made, but they gave an actual review of the EP. I like Walk Away, and I like Use Me, perhaps because they have an emotional connection for me, but the others sort of fall flat. Apart from that, I don't have an objective review to give.I don't agree with every sentiment from Me & My Arrow, but I can see the effort made in your review of the songs instead of each person's opinion.