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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2016, 09:28 PM »
I hear what you are saying, but honestly, I have been contributing to the 'profit' as a Goo fan since 1993. Albums, CDs, CD singles, videos, concerts, magazines, t shirts, posters, fan site memberships, you name it. I have the feeling that my Goo collection might outmatch yours on any day.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it. 

As for older musicians not wanting people their age in the audience? I would have to disagree.  I saw Peter Frampton and James Taylor last year, the concerts were in decent size venues, sold out, and filled with people my age and older. There were people in their 40s there, but the majority were my age or older.  And, we were all on our feet, singing and having 'fun'.  I can promise you, if I am lucky enough to have the GGD still touring when they are in their 60s, I will be right there continuing to be a dedicated fan.

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It's not that you're not fun or not lucrative, but the younger crowd are just more fun and more lucrative..and they provide more years of profit. I think that Jay Leno is amazing..but from what I hear..they were pushing him out because they needed somebody that could pull in a younger audience and lock them in. Same with the tobacco companies. They don't care too much about the older people..they want the younger people who will smoke for 30-50 years. I 90% sure that the GGDs and most musicians like to still perform when they're in their 60s+...because that's just what they do. When they're 65, they're not going to fill up the place with other 65 years olds...it's most likely people in their 40s.

I know people hate to hear it..but it's business at the end of the day.




I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2016, 09:35 PM »
Hey Toni

It's not that you're not fun or not lucrative, but the younger crowd are just more fun and more lucrative..and they provide more years of profit. I think that Jay Leno is amazing..but from what I hear..they were pushing him out because they needed somebody that could pull in a younger audience and lock them in. Same with the tobacco companies. They don't care too much about the older people..they want the younger people who will smoke for 30-50 years. I 90% sure that the GGDs and most musicians like to still perform when they're in their 60s+...because that's just what they do. When they're 65, they're not going to fill up the place with other 65 years olds...it's most likely people in their 40s.

I know people hate to hear it..but it's business at the end of the day.




I happen to be outside of the 18-35 year-old 'market' (by 15 years to be exact), and also consider myself to be a very 'long-time and traditional-type GGD fan'.  I wouldn't consider that because of my 'age' that I am in a 'nonfun' or 'nonlucrative' market.  My iTunes library is quite extensive with different types of music from all genres.  I purchase music that appeals to me, music that moves me emotionally, or just gets me moving; it doesn't matter who sings it or the genre.  Bands age and their music evolves or they become stagnant. The same with their fans, we age and evolve with them, or become stagnant.  Don't put me out to the music pasture just yet..lol

~ Toni

Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equals cash AND fun!!!)
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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2016, 09:51 PM »
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2016, 09:55 PM »
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2016, 10:04 PM »
LetitGoo, you brought up tobacco companies and Jay Leno. Me Again was merely making a comparison like you were.  Be cool kiddo, let's talk when you are older and wiser. LOL  ;D

Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.


Age is nothing but attitude.
Being closer to 50 than to 25 certainly doesn't mean someone is going to be less 'fun' than they were at 25.
I'm certainly not ready to be Soylent Green because I don't fit the demographic any longer.
I listen to many different types of music depending on the mood I'm in at the moment.
As far as spending cash... I tend to see a hell of a lot more people over 45 than the 18-35 demographic, driving muscle cars, sports cars and luxury cars.  (That equal cash AND fun!!!)
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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2016, 10:37 PM »
Let's keep it goo..:). Well, like I said, 45 years old is more likely to attend a goo concert than a 65 years old. Businesses target younger people because they're more likely to be longer customers.

Well duh...older people have more money. And having all these cars have been often attached with having a mid life crisis..older people trying to look younger with cool cars. I never thought this when an older buddy of mine who is near 60 told me that a lot of older men do so to try to reclaim their youths. And I personally never want to make it about money about topics like these.

Look at this way, market to a 20 years old and the party will last longer than than you would a 45 years old. I'm not talking about a friday night party..i'm talking about that 20 years old has a good 30 years.

I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for all people over the age of 45, however, the people I know who have muscle cars, sports cars and the like are neither attempting to recapture their youth, nor are they in the midst of a mid life crisis.
They are people who have worked hard their whole lives, raised their children, paid their bills, and fulfilled their obligations and responsibilities and now are able to be a bit less selfless and able to have a few of the things they want....for the shear fun of it!

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2016, 02:17 AM »
I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2016, 08:22 AM »
At the end of the day, the business of trying to be/go younger is big business. Nobody really tries to get old. That's exactly what the Goos are doing. I know some will still argue that...and as I said before...they say they not trying to write songs to get on the radio...but it sounds like songs to get on the radio.



I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for all people over the age of 45, however, the people I know who have muscle cars, sports cars and the like are neither attempting to recapture their youth, nor are they in the midst of a mid life crisis.
They are people who have worked hard their whole lives, raised their children, paid their bills, and fulfilled their obligations and responsibilities and now are able to be a bit less selfless and able to have a few of the things they want....for the shear fun of it!

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2016, 09:11 AM »
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2016, 06:15 PM »
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

Snagging the "youth market" isn't what it used to be. The longevity of companies and brands isn't what it once was.  I can name six car divisions off the top of my head that have ceased to exist in last three decades.
The same holds true for music artists.
No business person who is selling a product truly gives a good shit what demographic is buying, so long as they are turning a profit on the product they are selling - and the bigger the profit, the better.
The idea that people over the age of 35 are suddenly irrelevant consumers is absurd. Baby boomers make up a HUGE chunk of the current population and none of them are under 35.
To say that all middle aged (and older) men would prefer to spend time with a woman in her late teens to age 35 is absolutely ridiculous.  And, unless you are middle aged male yourself, how would you know?
Being outside the demographic you keep touting has its benefits.  It allows one the ability to see the beauty, integrity, wisdom and grace that only comes with the passage of time.




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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2016, 06:36 PM »
I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

BORIS!!!
So nice to see you around here.
I am missing your avatar and the old bottom line that came with your posts, though.

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Re: Did John forget how to write a chorus?
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2016, 07:48 PM »
First, I just want to apologize to Toni because I misread part of what he said about spending money and cars.

Yes, older people buy cooler cars..but companies market to younger people because they want younger people to buy more cars over the years and eventually become that older person who buy the more expensive and cooler car. The youth market is more interesting because new customers are harder to get than keeping customers.

Let's be realistic..it's more fun to be around younger females in their late teens to 35 than it is to be around 45 years olds. That's what rock stars and celebs do all the time!

I have no doubt that a rock star at 65 is capable...but their audience is less likely to be filled with other 65 years old. It's more likely to be people who are younger.

I haven't been here in a long time. Maybe because I'm 'old'. Age is nothing but attitude. I wouldn't trade my 61 years for 3 20 year olds and change, 2 30 year olds and change. Certainly not for a 45 and a 16 year old. I have had a very full and adventurous life with hopefully more to come. I survived. Hell, the reason we drive cool cars is we can afford them. Mid Life crisis? Shit, at mid life I was getting clean and sober. 26 years clean and sober is probably longer than some of the 'young demographic' has been alive. A good chorus? It depends on everyone's own taste. Case in point, Cheap Trick, who I saw back in their club days, just got elected to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (for whatever that is worth) but in their 'old age' are cranking out not only new material (and quite good I may add) but still touring their asses off. Never 'phoning it in' but playing decent length sets and always mixing up the setlist. 2016 has already been a year of losing musical icons. Embrace the ones you have and care about. One of my favorite quotes is "Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many." ~ Unknown
*Note to Me Again: Age is indeed nothing but attitude.
Good to see some of us 'Old' Timers still here. I rest my case Your Honor.

Just a slight clarification LetItGoo, I am a woman, not a man.

And Boris - your sense of humor never fails.. Great to see it surfacing here on the board once again!

~ Toni
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